45’s* controversial decision to end DACA would not have gone over well with himself five years ago, according to audio that recently surfaced.

In a 2012 interview on Fox News’ Fox & Friends, the reality TV star and tacky real estate tycoon who would eventually become the 45th President of the United States commented to the hosts about a 2004 letter from former House Speaker Newt Gingrich that surfaced during the Republican presidential primary in 2011.

At the time, then-Congresswoman Michele Bachmann called her primary rival to task for endorsing a policy that would create a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants who had been in the United States for at least 25 years. Her attack was echoed by former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, who would eventually become the party’s 2012 presidential nominee.

“I’m the world’s most conservative person. This isn’t conservative. This is compassion,”45 said in the 2012 segment. “I guess, to a certain extent, for a very limited number of people it would be considered amnesty. But how do you tell a family that’s been here for 25 years to get out?”

CNN’s Andrew Kaczynski dug up both the Fox & Friends segment and another segment from CNBC’s Squawk Box, in which the real estate mogul repeated his endorsement of allowing productive members of American society to remain in the U.S., regardless of their immigration status.

“You have people in this country for 20 years. They’ve done a great job, they’ve done wonderfully, they’ve gone to school, they’ve gotten good marks, they’re productive,” he said at the time. “Now we’re supposed to send them out of the country? I don’t believe in that.”

On Tuesday, 45 ended former President Barack Obama’s DACA program, which puts 800,000 young undocumented people at risk of deportation in six months unless Congress passes a bill to reinstate the program. That same night, 45 tweeted that he “will revisit” DACA if Congress fails to meet that deadline, puzzling lawmakers as to where the president actually stands on the issue.

(*EDITOR’S NOTE: GritPost.com is now exclusively referring to Donald Trump as “45.” Please read our official statement on Twitter explaining the decision.)


Jordan Shaw is a New Jersey-based writer and commentator specializing in national and state government issues for Grit Post. When he’s not writing, you can find him volunteering in Camden, New Jersey, or hiking the Wissahickon Valley Park.

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